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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:48:14 AM
 
BELOVED OSHO,
WOULD YOU TALK TO US ABOUT USING OUR SEXUAL ENERGY FOR GROWTH, AS IT SEEMS
TO BE ONE OF OUR MAIN PREOCCUPATIONS IN THE WEST.

Sex is the energy. So I will not say sexual energy -- because there is no
other energy. Sex is the only energy you have got. The energy can be
transformed -- it can become a higher energy. The higher it moves, the less
and less sexuality remains in it. And there is an end peak where it becomes
simply love and compassion. The ultimate flowering we can call divine
energy, but the base, the seat, remains sex. So sex is the first, bottom
layer of energy -- and God is the top layer. But the same energy moves.
The first thing to be understood is that I don't divide energies. Once you
divide, then a dualism is created. Once you divide, then conflict and
struggle are created. Once you divide energies, YOU are divided -- then you
will be for or against sex.
I am neither for nor against, because I don't divide. I say sex is the
energy, the name of the energy; call that energy X. Sex is the name of that
X energy, the unknown energy, when you are using it only as a biological
reproduction force. It becomes divine once it is freed from biological
bondage, once it becomes non-physical -- then it is the love of Jesus or
the compassion of Buddha.
The West is much obsessed today because of Christianity. Two thousand years
of Christian suppression of sex energy has made the Western mind too much
obsessed with it.
First, for two thousand years the obsession was how to kill it. You cannot
kill it. No energy can be killed -- energy can only be transformed. There
is no way to destroy energy. Nothing can be destroyed in this world, it can
only be transformed, changed, moved into a new realm and dimension.
Destruction is impossible.
You cannot create a new energy, and you cannot destroy an old energy.
Creation and destruction are both beyond you. They cannot be done. Now,
scientists agree to this -- not even a single atom can be destroyed.
For two thousand years, Christianity was trying to destroy sex energy.
Religion consisted of becoming absolutely without sex. That created a
madness. The more you fight, the more you suppress, the more sexual you
become. And then sex moves deeper into the unconscious. It poisons your
whole being.
So if you read the lives of Christian saints, you will see they are
obsessed with sex. They cannot pray, they cannot meditate. Whatsoever they
do, sex comes in. And they think that the devil is playing tricks. Nobody
is playing tricks. If you suppress, YOU are the devil.
After two thousand years of continuous sex-repression, the West became fed
up with it. It was too much. The whole wheel turned. Now, instead of
repression, indulgence, to indulge in it became the new obsession. From one
pole the mind moved to the other pole. The disease remained the same. Once
it was repression. Now it is how to indulge more and more in it. Both are
sick attitudes.
Sex has to be transformed -- neither repressed nor madly indulged. And the
only possible way to transform sex is to be sexual with deep meditative
awareness.
It is just the same as I was saying about anger. Move into sex, but with an
alert, conscious, mindful being. Don't allow it to become an unconscious
force. Don't be pulled and pushed by it. Move knowingly, understandingly,
lovingly. But make sexual experience a meditative experience. Meditate in
it. This is what the East has done through Tantra.
And once you are meditative in sexual experience, the quality of it starts
changing. The same energy which is moving into sexual experience starts
moving towards consciousness.
You can become so alert in a peak sexual orgasm, as you can otherwise never
become -- because no other experience is so deep, no other experience is so
absorbing, no other experience is so total. In a sexual orgasm, you are
TOTALLY absorbed, root and all -- your whole being vibrating, your whole
being in it. Body, mind -- both are in it. And thinking stops completely.
Even for a single second, when the orgasm reaches its peak, thinking stops
completely, because you are so total you cannot think.
In a sexual orgasm you ARE. Being is there without any thinking. In this
moment, if you can become alert, conscious, then sex can become the door
towards the divine. And if in this moment you can become alert, that
alertness can be carried in other moments also, in other experiences also.
It can become a part of you. Then eating, walking, doing some work, you can
carry that alertness. Through sex, the alertness has touched your deepest
core. It has penetrated you. Now you can carry it.
And, if you become meditative, you will come to realize a new fact. That
fact is that it is not sex that gives you bliss, it is not sex that gives
you the ecstasy. Rather, it is a thoughtless state of the mind and total
involvement in the act that gives you a blissful feeling.
Once you understand this then sex will be needed less and less, because
that thoughtless state of mind can be created without it -- that's what
meditation means. And that totality of being can be created without sex.
Once you know that the same phenomenon can happen without sex, sex will be
needed less and less. A moment will come when sex will not be needed at all.
Remember, sex is always dependent on the other. So in sex, a bondage, a
slavery remains. Once you can create this total orgasmic phenomenon without
any dependence on anybody else, when it has become an inner source, you are
independent, you are free.
That's what is meant when, in India, we say only a BRAHMACHARI, an
absolutely celibate person, can be free -- because now he is not dependent
on anybody else, his ecstasy is his own.
Sex disappears through meditation, but this is not destroying the energy.
Energy is never destroyed; only the form of the energy changes. Now it is
no longer sexual, and when the form is no longer sexual, then you become
loving.
So, really, a person who is sexual cannot love. His love can only be a
show. His love is just a means towards sex. A person who is sexual uses
love just as a technique towards sex. It is a means. A sexual person cannot
really love, he can only exploit the other; and love becomes just a way to
approach the other.
A person who has become non-sexual, and the energy is moving within, has
become auto-ecstatic. His ecstasy is his own. Such a person will be loving
for the first time. His love will be a constant showering, a constant
sharing, a constant giving.
But to achieve this, you are not required to be anti-sex. To achieve this,
you have to accept sex as part of life, of natural life. Move with it --
only move with more consciousness.
Consciousness is the bridge, the golden bridge, from this world to the
other, from hell to heaven, from the ego to the divine.
Enough for today.
--from My Way: The Way of the White Clouds, ch 5
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:53:04 AM
 
ниасилил, хоть и про еблю
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:55:36 AM
 
«ниасилил, хоть и про еблю»

Ditto
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:58:55 AM
 
«Sex is the only energy you have got»

I strongly disagree... unless my brainfucking power counts as sexual energy...

Also sex in western world is definitelly overrated (c Rusa), it should be a simple and enjoyable enterprise as opposed to some wierd cult. People fuck for fun and for kids, sometimes for money. Let's stick to that, not make a fucking temple of penis and vagina.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:00:51 AM
 
someone is lacking some energy...

длинные тексты давят - о чем там?
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простите, но именно сейчас я могу сказать вам гадость
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:07:28 AM
 
«длинные тексты давят - о чем там?»

о ебле по всей видимости
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:10:41 AM
 
Premdharia: Wake up
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If you are going to read this...
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:19:14 AM
 
Premdharia Тут не все так англизкий хорошо знают ;(
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:19:31 AM
 
you're putting the pussy up on this pedestal.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:21:02 AM
 
««длинные тексты давят - о чем там?»

о ебле по всей видимости»


по радио сегодни сказали что один чел заявил что с помощью тантрического секса он смог 28 часов это дело без перерыва...

там про это?? :))
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простите, но именно сейчас я могу сказать вам гадость
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:57:21 AM
 
«по радио сегодни сказали что один чел заявил что с помощью тантрического секса он смог 28 часов это дело без перерыва...»

Хуясе... это как в том анекдоте

Why are niggers able to have sex all night?
They don't have to go to work in the morning
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:03:05 AM
 
«по радио сегодни сказали что один чел заявил что с помощью тантрического секса он смог 28 часов это дело без перерыва...»

даму можно только пожалеть на самом деле
потом называется это не тантрический секс, а как говорил Юз Алешковский, называется это Сухостой
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:08:21 AM
 
не знаю не знаю... про женщину никто даже не упомянул.

и мои познания в тантре.. хммм.. вернее в ее изучении закончились укуриванием, поэтому разницы я не знаю, но думаю, что если это одно и тоже и можно не идти на работу на следующие несколько дней... то вполне... можно трансформ не только сексшуал энержи но и есче пару глобальных идей... если успеешь поймать их за хвост...:))
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простите, но именно сейчас я могу сказать вам гадость
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:09:21 AM
 
«по радио сегодни сказали что один чел заявил что с помощью тантрического секса он смог 28 часов это дело без перерыва...»

Аналогичный случай был в городе Кутаиси! Малчик Гоги , 6 лет, барану так засадил, рога выпрямились!
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:23:07 AM
 
«по радио сегодни сказали что один чел заявил что с помощью тантрического секса он смог 28 часов это дело без перерыва...»
Без тренировки и специальной подготовки такой марафон был бы смертелен, а главное он себе просто сточил бы то что наружно приставлено к телу, орудие так сказать труда.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:37:33 AM
 
«Без тренировки и специальной подготовки такой марафон был бы смертелен, а главное он себе просто сточил бы то что наружно приставлено к телу, орудие так сказать труда.»

он наверное, тренировался долго.
раз это такой биг дил для него.
он есче там чей-то рекорд побил.

почему про бабцу ниче не сказали не понятно.
она до конца марафона не дотянула чтоль?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:42:03 AM
 
Наверно это было что-то инное, может бревно?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:55:49 PM
 
I actually just recently had a conversation w/ a friend of mine about how the hundreds of years of suppresed sexuality in the West is affecting our culture right now. I think there's a lot of merit to it.

The text is quite interesting, opens up a lot of possibilities. I'm slowly coming to the same awe about life and being in general. This feeling is very similar to what I experienced when I was studying math in university. By the 3rd year I started to understand that EVERYTHING in math is interconnected and one can be explained by the other. It's wonderful really. It's all coming together now...


...oh, no, it's all coming back again... there is nothing to feeeear...
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:05:45 PM
 
А я, кста, в общих чертах согласна с Ошой в этом вопросе.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:18:19 PM
 
«А я, кста, в общих чертах согласна с Ошой в этом вопросе.»

Аха, в общих чертах, что предлагается? Move with sex - ну я вобщем и так с ним на короткой, так скать, ноге. К чему стулья ломать? Шо значит мув виз секс?
Last edited by Нeфиг on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:19:00 PM
 
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:54:27 PM
 
я прочел только первый параграф и потерялся где то между сексом как нижним леером энергии и Богом как верхним...

от себя добавлю что сексуальная энергия очень хорошо трансформируется в энергию неообходимую для обогревания так как трение создает жар. Вот меня, например, сегодня целый день имела моя работа от чего у меня повысилась температура в виду трений между ожиданиями моего босса и моим желанием эти ожидания риализовать...
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