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Joined: 3/25/2002
Posts: 38
Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 3:11:00 PM
 
Блин, голова болит, надо таблеток vыпить
Короче, вопрос такой:
Nasdaq упал на больше чем 3000 пунктов, Интернет инкубаторы позакрывались быстрее, чем вы сматываетесь с работы домой, there is a huge oversupply of programmers, network administrators, people with MCNEs and other worthless papers. People lost intrest in studing. Computer industry lost that popularity and apeal that use to be. Короче говоря, че делать лuдям с образованием в этой области и без какого либо опыта работы? Че зря учились че ли, зря деньги тратили?

Надоели мнения "аналистов". Че лuди в индустрии думаuт?

I dont think the industy will rebound to the point where it use to be: when capital spendings on technology were increasing, and demand on info systems was high-those times are gone! Companies come up with negative earnings, and if it continues, don't you think that oversupply, and decreasing demand for labor in the industry will push wages down.

I mean, what do people think? what's going to happen?

Joined: 10/10/2001
Posts: 9593
Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 3:39:00 PM
 
very good question. I actually had a conversation with a friend of mine about a year or two ago. I said that this huge demand for IT specialists (back then) would end or significantly decrease eventually. I just did not expect it to reduce by so much so fast. I think it will improve again, but don't expect salaries to be the same as before. It is all about supply and demand sh*t. Every second person was taking IT courses 2-5 years ago, which would not be too bad if the demand could keep up with that. Somebody told me that similar stuff occurred 20-30 years ago when architects were making tons of dough...it is not nearly as good any more in general. I read (I think on the Seneca web site) that there has been an increase in popularity of social services and engineering courses. Why? Because people began to think twice before they apply for IT courses. I think it will pick up, but i doubt that it's going to be as good as before at least for a little while, may be in some disciplines...it still beats engineering though (salarywise)
Joined: 3/31/2001
Posts: 1306
Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 3:50:00 PM
 
I think people who thought that taking 6 month courses at some russian IT school, will get them a good job and millions of dollars suffered the most.
Everyone else in the industry who is in it not because "there is no other jobs", but beause they actually like it, didn't suffer as much.

IT suffered temporarily. It will be back bigger than ever. After all, the saying "one programmer creates a work place for another two programmers" is correct.

Joined: 4/26/2002
Posts: 1
Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 4:01:00 PM
 
po sravneniyu s potrebom spezialistov drugih professii, programmisti, analisti, i td vse ecche odni iz lidiruyuschih. Ya ne imeyu vidu chernorabochih, a imenno spezov i professionalov. Tak chto esli obrazovanie, kak kto to verno zametil, vishe chem "russkie IT schools", to i vernoyatnost' naiti rabotu sootvetstvennaya.
Soglashus' s tem, chto vskore potreb opiat' poidet verh.
Tak chto smotrite na mir optimistichney, gospoda prisyazhnie zasedateli:)
Joined: 4/11/2002
Posts: 753
Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:37:00 PM
 
Rabotal sysopom 3 goda. No vasheto sam ja sistemshik.Toka ja zabrosil programirovanije iz za nudnati etogo zanjatija. Luche povelevat setju a ne stroit' ee. Ja znaju ludej kotorije nihrenashenki ne znali computerev...poshli na IT cursi. I teper' poluchaut 60k-80k$ v god. Samoje interesnoje chto oni do sih por ne znajut nehrenashen'ki. Znaut chto kuda votknut. na chto najat'. No ne umejut mislit' neadekvatno. Chtobi mislit' neadekvatno nujno zanimatsja compami s detstva. Ludit' eto. Dlja bolshenstva sovremenih IT rabota eta toka dengi. Systema rabotaet. nu i hren s nej. Samoje strashnoje chto ih ochen' mnogo okolo 80% vseh IT. Kogda companiju hackajut. Oni obichno vigonjaut svoego sysopa i nanimajut togo u kogo bolshe bumajek no kotorij znaet daje menshe chem proshliz sysop. I vse prodoljaetsja po novoj. Ochen' malo kompanij kotorije nanimaut teh kto mnogo znaet. Obichno kto mnogo znaet ne imet mnogo bmajek. A bumajki eto samoje glavnoje zdes'. Nokogo ne volnujut znanija. Skoko narodu Sis'ka sertefy, no ja znaju toka odnogo kto dejstvitelno znaet chto delajet.

Vot po etomu v vse padajet. Otdali vse na proizvol ludej u kotorih polshe bumajek. U kotorih security tak i prosit.. "Hey I'm here.. do me....". I have echo port and char generator port open... netcat them for me plz. ":)))LOL...
Joined: 8/10/2001
Posts: 564
Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:33:00 PM
 
zubr, s chem svyazany stol' negativnye prognozy?
kstati, poznakomilsya s odnim RCMP gde-to goda pol nazad, o n v moneylaundering, kazhetsya, tak on krichal, chto- russkikh parney khot' seychas davay
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